Obama hires

Via Adam Nagourney at the Caucus. Two new hires at camp Obama.

First:

The Obama campaign is about to make its first big hire out of the campaign of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Patti Solis Doyle, who was Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign manager until she was ousted in a staff shake up in February, will join Mr. Obama's campaign as the chief of staff to the vice presidential candidate - whoever he (or she) will be, campaign officials said.

Ms. Doyle will take the position before Mr. Obama announces his choice for a running-mate - he has not said when that will be. Mrs. Clinton and Ms. Doyle have a long friendship, and Ms. Doyle has long been one of her closest aides, until she was forced out. Could that mean - tea-leaf reading time - that Mr. Obama is really considering Mrs. Clinton for the No. 2 position, and wants to have an ally of her in place to ease the way? Perhaps.

Or perhaps not. More likely, the Obama campaign was looking for a high-profile spot to put Ms. Doyle, given her previous position, and most of the major roles in Mr. Obama's campaign are filled.


Second:
The Obama campaign also is strengthening the team working for Michelle Obama.

Later today, the campaign is set to announce the hiring of Stephanie Cutter, a longtime Democratic strategist who worked as Senator John Kerry's communications director in 2004, as chief of staff to Mrs. Obama. Ms. Cutter is scheduled to begin soon, with the first task of re-crafting the image of Mrs. Obama, who has come under intense criticism by Republicans and even some Democratic rivals. She also will lead a war room to fight attacks against Mrs. Obama.

I don't think that Barack took to kindly to the attacks that have been going on against Mrs. Obama. Cutter is good, she'll help on this end.

The hire of Doyle raises the chances that Clinton is the VP choice of Obama. You'll recall, in 2004, that Kerry went out and hired an Edwards staffer for this position, in the weeks leading up to the announcement of Edwards as VP. This is more likely a couple of months, but still, it seems fairly overt, yea?
 



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Not that overt (2.00 / 4)

Solis-Doyle got fired by the Clinton campaign, and blamed for the Iowa debacle.

I'd say her hire makes it less likely that Clinton will be the VP nominee.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:33:59 PM EST

Re: Not that overt (none / 0)

Agreed. They're picking up someone who as rejected by the Clinton campaign months ago.

Doesn't sound good for Clinton VP speculation.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:35:13 PM EST
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Re: Not that overt (none / 0)

But oh, to be a fly on the wall at that first awkward meeting.  "Sure, I know you fired me, Hillary, but your new boss just hired me back."  Ouch.

Seriously, I wish he hadn't hired her, as Solis Doyle sounded like an unmitigated failure in the primary.


by username on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:53:08 PM EST
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unmitigated failure in the primary. (none / 0)

So would anyone be with Jabba the Penn as de facto boss.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:31:45 PM EST
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Yup. Hillary would pick her own COS (none / 0)

The mere fact they are naming the VP pick's chief of staff before the person has been named is a huge sign that Hillary is not going to be the VP choice.

Hillary would want to pick her own Chief of Staff. And, that would probably be Maggie Williams, not Solis Doyle.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:38:37 PM EST
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Theoretically (none / 0)

Obama would pretty much insist that his people do the hiring for any position within the campaign... in fact, he wants to avoid situations where you have "his people" and the "VP's people."

The last thing he needs is for the VP to be a government-in-exile, just waiting for a chance to implement their own organization.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:43:23 PM EST
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Re: Theoretically (none / 0)

I agree. But he would at least give Hillary the courtesy of submitting a name or two to his people for vetting.

He wouldn't force her to take on someone ahead of time. At least not if he was intent on naming her his VP.

This could be a way of signalling that he is in control, and that anyone who will be his running mate has to defer to him (even you Hillary).

So, if you can't handle that, you probably don't want the job.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:45:31 PM EST
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Good point (none / 0)

Obama's been nothing short of authoritarian with the Democratic party machinery, and nothing could please me more.  Democrats get too tied up with hand-wringing and worrying about offending people;  this time we're playing for all the marbles, and we need to make sure that there's a clear command structure.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 03:11:54 PM EST
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Re: Not that overt (2.00 / 2)

I'm reminded of a certain Carly Simon song.


"I will veto every single beer!" -- John McCain
by fwiffo3 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 03:34:02 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

I think its the opposite. Solis Doyle was fired and apparently she and Clinton haven't spoken since then.

In fact, I just think this is symbolism given that she is a female Hispanic Hillarylander.


by ajain on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:36:36 PM EST

Re: Obama hires (2.00 / 2)

I agree. Hillary and Doyle are no longer friends after Hillary fired her and blamed her for the Iowa campaign debacle. I would imagine that now that Hillary has lost the nomination, she's even MORE angry at the perceived failure to wrap it up early.

That was Doyle's strategy as well as Hillary's.

The Clintons have a long history of throwing longtime friends and former supporters under the bus when it's time to take the blame. This is no different.

Loyalty in the Clinton camp is very much a one-way street. It flows from supporters to Bill and Hillary, not the other way.


by Cugel on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:43:46 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (2.00 / 1)

wow. so much insight yet so little to go on.



"Rankles and Rush Limbaugh, ruining the chaos brand since 2008."
by alyssa chaos on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:46:16 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (2.00 / 1)

Not the first person to have made this observation:
But loyalty was a one-way street in the House of Clinton, a royal court where the King and Queen blithely discarded unwanted retainers like used Kleenex. Even Carville's merry band of consultants was tossed after the 1994 congressional-election debacle. As a result, several of those discarded, like George Stephanopoulos, Robert Reich and Dick Morris, exacted their revenge in brutal memoirs.

by username on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:56:07 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (2.00 / 2)

Dick Morris wasn't discarded - he discarded himself when he sucked on the toes of a prostitute and let her listen in on his phone calls with Clinton.

I hate that little F&*@#r.


by JustJennifer on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:04:02 PM EST
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Haha, me too! (none / 0)

His smug, fat face offends me tremendously.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:11:45 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

I had forgotten that part.  I don't think someone should be fired for paying someone to let him suck on her toes, but...  yuck!


by username on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:12:04 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

No the sucking toes part wasn't enough.  It was just part of his sick little game that he was playing.  I just brought it up because I think it speaks to how disgusting he really is.


by JustJennifer on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:33:33 PM EST
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Congratulations (2.00 / 1)

You've just aligned yourself with the analysis of Joe Klein.

That man has no credibility, especially when it comes to the Clintons.   I wouldn't exactly hold him out to bolster your argument.


by dcg2 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:20:46 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

I don't think Solis-Doyle's hire means anything other than how seriously the Obama team is taking the VP search. Ususally, VP nominees come in with their own people -- and that might happen. But managing a Senator or Governor is different than managing a VP selection in a presidential race... I imagine they're bringing in someone of her caliber so whoever they pick will hit the ground running. My guess is they (rightly) don't think there'll be any honeymoon inbetween "picking" and "fox news trashing."


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:36:51 PM EST

An overt (if suicidal) sign would be if Camp O (2.00 / 1)

went and hired Terry McC, Howard Wolfson, or (shudder) Mark Penn.

But they wouldn't, being interested in winning and all.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:37:27 PM EST

Re: An overt (if suicidal) sign would be if Camp O (none / 0)

Mark Penn? Never, never, never, suggest that again. Please. That happens & I'll pull a Rudolf Hess.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:45:45 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

"a longtime Democratic strategist who worked as Senator John Kerry's communications director in 2004"

Uh.. considering how his campaign handled the whole swiftboating debacle I don't see how this is a good thing?


by JustJennifer on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:38:53 PM EST

I know Stephanie Cutter (none / 0)

she's good in this aspect for Michelle Obama.


by slinkerwink on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:41:27 PM EST
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Re: I know Stephanie Cutter (none / 0)

I hope she is able to get out in front of any "swiftboating".  I don't know anything about her but I know what helped sink Kerry and I don't want to see that happen again.


by JustJennifer on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:43:48 PM EST
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Re: I know Stephanie Cutter (2.00 / 0)

They've already handled the equivalent of a swift aircraft carrier with the Wright nonsense. This isn't Kerry Redux; these people came prepared to fight back in the primaries. We're going to do fine in the general.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:45:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I know you're concerned, and I share that as well (none / 0)

We'll see how the prepping of Michelle goes for The View on Wednesday. There's that odious Elizabeth Hasselback on The View who loves to recite right-wing talking points.

If Michelle can handle her, she can handle anyone else.


by slinkerwink on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:46:27 PM EST
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Re: I know you're concerned, (none / 0)

i hate that Elizabeth. shes just so mean and republican; she's always throwing little fits.



"Rankles and Rush Limbaugh, ruining the chaos brand since 2008."
by alyssa chaos on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:48:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Elizabeth Hasselbeck is a nobody (none / 0)

and I hate when people give her credit for anything.

Some silly girl gets a chance to go on a lame-ass reality show and gets a career because she's not threatening to Barbara Waters.

Her opinion has nothing to do with the Republican opinion and no self-respecting Republican/conservative would take her seriously.

She's a nobody and her husband can't even get a football job.  'nuff said.


by stefystef on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 03:24:30 PM EST
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Re: I know you're concerned (2.00 / 2)

Elizabeth Hasslebeck?  LOL Ok that was funny.  She is an idiot.  If MO had any problem handling her I would be VERY concerned.

I don't think MO will have any problems in face to face interviews.  It's the behind the scenes smear bullshit that will be the battle.


by JustJennifer on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:49:32 PM EST
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Re: I know you're concerned (2.00 / 1)

EH is indeed an idiot.  She makes me cringe.


by mnl1012 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:53:26 PM EST
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Re: I know you're concerned (2.00 / 0)

Elizabeth Hasselbeck is precisely the kind of Republican that Michelle needs to appeal to. If she can win her over with charm and grace, she'll do wonders for herself.

I hope that they have been really focusing her on dealing with her, though. She's caused meltdowns of more than one person on that panel.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:59:46 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (1.75 / 4)

The only way Obama wins this is by picking Hillary as his V..P.

He's barely ahead in the Gallup poll for christ's sake!

He needs her!

Oh noes!


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:39:00 PM EST

Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

Oh, please. If you want to play that game he has actually gone up again today. Besides which those tracking numbers are too volatile from day to day to be able to say very much other than that there are lots of people claiming to be undecided.


by conspiracy on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:54:00 PM EST
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read the sig line (2.00 / 0)

I think the comment was snark.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:57:27 PM EST
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Re: read the sig line (none / 0)

So it was. Serves me right for scan reading. My apologies spaceman.


by conspiracy on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:01:39 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

Oh noes indeed!  He's now ahead in Nevada as well, according to a recent poll:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/19954494.html

Oh noes!  He has nowhere to go but down.

Speaking of the new NV poll, could one of the admins please update the MyDD EV map?  Thx.


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:06:54 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

You, uh, misread that.  McCain is up by 2.  Reread your link.  

Happens to the best of us...


Vote Change in '08!
by iowa dem on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:16:42 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

Yeah, my bad.  I was working from a link that flipped the results.  Apologies.  


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:21:59 PM EST
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McCain is up by 2 (none / 0)

Poll du jour.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:39:44 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

The link you gave says McCain is ahead by 2% -- that's within the MOE ofcourse, but he's still ahead.


by Aris Katsaris on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:19:50 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

If he was ahead by 10 it would be, "Oh noes! Dukakis was ahead by 17!"


by animated on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:33:28 PM EST
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Nonsense. (none / 0)

Edwards actually helps Obama more than Hillary does in several key states accoridng to the Survey USA polls.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:40:44 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

maybe, maybe not? or is it maybe, maybe so?


[oh noes]
"Rankles and Rush Limbaugh, ruining the chaos brand since 2008."
by alyssa chaos on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:43:28 PM EST

Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

Great, now she can spend half a million on a campaign box lunch... color me not impressed...


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:47:17 PM EST

Nov 5th 01:00AM MyDD headline (2.00 / 4)

"Barack Obama is the President-elect"
by Jerome Armstrong
Is this a validation for Hillary Clinton?  What does this mean for her future?
McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.
by PantsB on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:48:04 PM EST

Re: Nov 5th 01:00AM MyDD headline (2.00 / 2)

Nov 6th 01:00AM MyDD headline

"Obama fails to bring troops home"
by Jerome Armstrong

I told you he'd disappoint you.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:50:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Nov 5th 01:00AM MyDD headline (2.00 / 1)

1AM? I expect the call long before that!


by conspiracy on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:54:43 PM EST
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Re: Nov 5th 01:00AM MyDD headline (none / 0)

Though it would be kinda ironic if it was at 3AM!


by conspiracy on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:12:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Dec 24 10:35 AM rec list (2.00 / 2)

* He hasn't been sworn IN yet!

* Demand RECOUT in FL AND MI!

* Why are OBAMBIS so MEAN TO ME!1!

(names removed to protect the guilty)


by username on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:00:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Dec 24 10:35 AM rec list (2.00 / 1)

November 5, 2008

"Hillaryis45"


by JoeW on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:08:31 PM EST
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C O L !!! (none / 0)

Donate now, gang!


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:09:25 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

Patti Solis Doyle. Seriously?


by b1oody8romance7 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:49:26 PM EST

Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

I wonder if Obama is planning on going with a woman, and if not Hillary who??


by Spanky on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:57:35 PM EST

Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

Or another possiblity would be Richardson.  He would help out west.


by Spanky on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:58:58 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

The other names floated are the govs of Kansas and Arizona. But, really, I'd happily take Clinton over either of them.


by animated on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:35:05 PM EST
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Except that Patti (none / 0)

betrayed Clinton's trust and loyalty by overspending Hillary's campaign cash, and she was leaning to Obama before Hillary's campaign was over a treacherous breach of loyalty.

Since the Clinton's favor loyalty and since the FIRED Patti,  I don't see this as a sign that Clinton will accept VP, but more likely the opposite.


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:00:53 PM EST

Re: Except that Patti (none / 0)

I agree. I am very disappointed Obama would make such a dumb hire. If she wants to volunteer, fine. But she has no business collecting a paycheck from a political campaign.


by Pravin on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:45:59 PM EST
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I can't figure it out (none / 0)

either!


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 03:49:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama hires (none / 0)

Who knows, maybe this was a result of the meeting between BO and HRC. The position might have been one of many offered. This spot may have been her choice? Then again......


by eddieb on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:01:52 PM EST

More pipe dreams (none / 0)

The hire of Doyle raises the chances that Clinton is the VP choice of Obama.

Wishful thinking.  Doyle and Clinton haven't spoken since her ouster, according to the NYT post-mortem:

Mrs. Clinton dumped her campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, who had been with her since 1992, and the two have not spoken since.

 Unlikely she'd be excited to be Hillary's new chief of staff.


by spunkmeyer on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:09:04 PM EST

Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

People who think Obama is going to take Clinton as his VP are delusional. Among a million other reasons are that she would undermine his message, she's got too much baggage and she wouldn't bring anything to the ticket others couldn't.


by EnzoValenzetti on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:10:03 PM EST

Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

He won't pick her, but it's false to say that she doesn't bring anything that others don't bring.  

She brings the energy and excitement of Hillary's primary supporters who are currently holding back or simply unenthusiastic.  There is no other choice that can do that.


by dcg2 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:13:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You're right (none / 0)

The problem isn't that Hillary brings nothing to the ticket or the office of VP -- she clearly has strengths on both counts.

The problem is that she's also got significant minuses as a candidate -- those large negative approval ratings among non-Dems, plus her selection would be counter to the outsider message Obama's been successfully running on for over a year now.

While I think she'd be good in the job, the last poll I saw was something like 22% more likely to vote D with her on the ticker, 22% less likely, and the rest didn't care/know.  There's certainly someone out there who can do a credible job AND give  a net boost on the whole.


by Rorgg on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:25:24 PM EST
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Re: You're right (none / 0)

Agreed.  I'd also add that I don't think Obama has the confidence to pick her. I think he'd be too insecure to pick someone who would get as much attention as she would.  Not necessarily a knock on him -- most nominees would be loathe to pick someone so outspoken and with such a following -- I think if he picked her it would be a tremendous sign about his own confidence in his ability to lead and control the agenda.

One other thing -- I'm always curious about those "more likely" or "less likely" polls how many of the people saying that are already partisans.  

For example, if all of the 23% who say it "less likely" are already voting for or against Obama regardless of who he picks, it doesn't really matter whether they say it makes them for or less likely.  But if half of those 22% who say more likely are undecided or leaning McCain, that makes the state very different than just the no net difference suggested by the topline results.


by dcg2 on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 02:41:06 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

Obama can't choose any WarDem for VP without undermining one of his strongest issues against McSame.

Ist presidential debate:

Obama: This country can't afford 4 more years of the kind of bad judgement that got us into Iraq.

McBush: Then why did you choose a VP who agreed with me?


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:46:56 PM EST
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it DECREASES the chance he'll hire Clinton (none / 0)

Hillary fired Patty Solis Doyle.  Most of her campaign blames her (along with Mark Penn) for the decision not to compete in all those small February states, especially the caucus states.

The odds of her being hired to clear the way for Hillary to come in seems pretty slim since it's doubtful Hillary would want her running her VP campaign after firing her for her failures on the Presidential.

In fact, it's hard to see any VP nominee simply accepting an Obama person being forced on them rather than making their own choice for Chief of Staff.


by dcg2 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:12:19 PM EST

Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

They said they were going to hire her months ago, so I don't think it was a decision based on their VP choice.


by Tenafly Viper on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:18:19 PM EST

In related news (2.00 / 1)

Lanny Davis will be joining Karl Rove at Fox News.

His description of Fox is that it was THE only network that was fair to Hillary!


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:21:20 PM EST

Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

Why would Obama pick Hillary's presidential campaign manager to run his VP's office??  Either Obama is picking Hillary for VP or he is spitting in her face.  I don't think Obama is that spiteful.  It looks like Hillary will be his VP.  


by karajan72 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:30:14 PM EST

Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

It's neither. He's hired other people from the Clinton shop. This is what happens at the end of the nomination process. It's very typical. One campaign hires from the other because now we're all on the same team.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:32:32 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

I think you've completely misread the situation.  Staff members of other candidates are often hired by the nominee's campaign in order to field the strongest team possible.  "Spitting in her face" - that statement makes no sense whatsoever.


by rfahey22 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:35:58 PM EST
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Clinton as vp not helpful (2.00 / 1)

Another poll shows that putting Clinton on the ticket hurts Obama more than it helps.

Asked what effect having Clinton as the Democratic vice presidential candidate would have on their vote, 19 percent of Nevadans said it would make them more likely to vote for Obama, while 28 percent said they would be less likely to vote for him. Fifty-one percent said it would have no effect.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/19954494.html


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:31:33 PM EST

Doyle Hire's not a Hillary indicator. It's opposit (none / 0)

She was forced out of the Hillary campaign for alleged incompetence, remember?

Plus, you don't pick Hillary's Chief of Staff for her. She picks her own, if she's the VP. Or at least she gets the chance to name someone.

This strongly idcates that Obama is ruling Hillary out.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:36:13 PM EST

Re: Obama hires (1.75 / 8)

Future Jerome posts:
"Obama blew a huge opportunity by picking [somone besides Senator Clinton] for VP. I'm seriously worried about our chances in November."

"So, Obama won, but he would have won by much bigger margin if he had put Clinton on the ticket. It's not to late - electors don't officially vote for a few weeks!"

"Inauguration day. It just occurred to me, is Obama even going to know where the White House is? He should really ask Senator Clinton for help."

"Obama's presidency has failed to bring all the troops back from Iraq, healthcare is still a mess, and little has changed since Bush left office. He's had a whole 13 hours to get stuff done, but I think it's already pretty clear that he can't cut it. Better get Senator Clinton on the line..."

"Obama's SOTU is getting way too much applause - it looks tacky. Senator Clinton could probably help with that."

"Sure the economy is up - but I can't help but think how much more up it would be if Senator Clinton were in office."

"I really think Obama is vulnerable to a primary challenge next year - you heard it here first."

"So, President Obama has 'won' reelection - but look at how he did among White women between the ages of 46.3 and 54.3 - that bodes ill for him."

"World peace, schmorld peace. Clinton would have done it better."


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:36:19 PM EST

Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

Man that was funny stuff:D


by animated on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:41:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

What we really need, at this point, is more polling showing how having Clinton on the ticket would hurt/ help, both nationally and in key states. I've seen a scattered poll here and there, but nothing conclusive.


by animated on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:38:40 PM EST

Re: Obama hires (2.00 / 1)

You're right.  Also we should have more gravel-as-vp polling.


by semiquaver on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:45:39 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

Ben Smith points out that today is a day in which Obama is announcing TONS of added-on advisors. Can ANYONE still deny that the campaign isn't in "Pause" right now? He's making speeches, but nothing spectacular. He hasn't made giant press releases, hasn't made big ad buys. His biggest campaign stories have been structural. They want to start with a big, big bang. It's a super-smart move. Much smarter than McCain's "victory lap" of just walking to different areas.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:41:40 PM EST

Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

Why oh why did Obama have to hire that loser? Even Hillary got rid of her.


by Pravin on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:44:25 PM EST

There was already talks in the grapevine (none / 0)

about Patti joining Obama campaign as far as May 19th before the primary ended. The original plan probably was part of his campaign outreach to Hispanic voting bloc and creating fissure within HRC camp by coopting someone close to HRC who had to leave the Clinton campaign.

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/p olitics/blog/2008/05/patti_solis_doyle_t o_join_obam.html

Does today her joining the Obama campaign means HRC joining the ticket? I'm hoping it is true but not as sure. I still think Caroline Kennedy and Michelle Obama would veto HRC.


by louisprandtl on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:44:43 PM EST

Re: Obama hires (2.00 / 1)

If you want to read tea leaves, Solis Doyle's appointment might suggest that Obama is considering as VP someone without an active staff ready for nationwide prime time. Some governors fit this bill. So does Sam Nunn.


by anoregonreader on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:46:12 PM EST

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It's good to get someone on board for this now so that the vp nominee's staff is well-integrated with the campaign in general.


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by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:51:52 PM EST

Censoring on the blogs already (none / 0)

I had a post questioning Solis Doyle's new position in the Obama campaign on another liberal website and I quoted an article from the WaPo.

My post was deleted.  It said nothing negative about Obama whatsoever.

Now I know that most of the mainstream liberal blogs have gotten on the Obama bandwagon and allow very little criticism of Obama, but when you are censored for questioning the lack of loyalty among Clinton staffers and asking if Solis Doyle- who had a long relationship with Axelrod- may have been a mole, you have to wonder if the Bush-ites of 2000 have become the Obama groupies of today.

I don't know if this post will stay on, but I hope that Hillary really looks at all her relationships and all the people she thought were loyal to her and her husband.

Time to clean house, Hillary.


by stefystef on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 03:01:01 PM EST

It wasn't deleted because of Obama criticism (none / 0)

It was probably deleted because you're being paranoid.

Solis-Doyle a mole?  Really?  A longtime Clinton loyalist who is blamed for botching Mark Penn's unwinnable strategy is a mole because she has "a long relationship with Axelrod."  That's tinfoil hat territory.  

She wasn't disloyal to Clinton.  She got fired by Clinton.

That website was screening for sanity, not Obama criticism.


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by Dracomicron on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 03:20:53 PM EST
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Re: It wasn't deleted because of Obama criticism (none / 0)

She was fired because she wasn't the right person for the job and Solis Doyle convinced Hillary that she was up for the job.

From the beginning, she wasn't up for the job.  And Hillary protected her as long as she could.  Since then, Solis Doyle hasn't spoken to her. Maybe because Maggie Williams did a MUCH BETTER job than her and help Hillary get thisclose to the nomination.  Maggie made Patti look incompetent.   If it was up to Solis Doyle, Hillary would have dropped out by Ohio/Texas.

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you.


by stefystef on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 03:33:08 PM EST
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Solis Doyle wasn't fired by Hillary Clinton.  She was just moved out as campaign manager into an advisory role.  She continued to work for the campaign.  Solis Doyle has never worked for anyone except Hillary Clinton since 1992.  They are VERY close.  This can mean nothing less than Hillary as VP.  


by karajan72 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 03:33:38 PM EST

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Can everyone get their facts straight.  Doyle wasn't fired by Hillary Clinton.  She was moved from the role of campaign manager into an advisory role.  She continued to work for Hillary in the campaign.  Hillary would not fire Doyle.  They are too close and go back almost 20 years.


by karajan72 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 03:35:28 PM EST

karajan, you're wrong on this...... (none / 0)

Doyle was forced out of her job, and she and Hillary have not spoken since.  These things are well-reported.  And to confirm the point, Hillary backers are getting quoted today in the media as saying Doyle's appointment to THIS job is a kick in Hillary's teeth, a clear signal that Hillary won't be VP.


by DCCyclone on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 04:44:08 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (2.00 / 2)

Jerome,

ou'll recall, in 2004, that Kerry went out and hired an Edwards staffer for this position, in the weeks leading up to the announcement of Edwards as VP.

Actually as I recall it, her hired a top Gephardt aide, which fed speculation it would be Gep. In fact, as I recall, I read it from a very reliable source

http://www.mydd.com/story/2004/7/5/5557/ 36979


by desmoulins on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 04:59:04 PM EST

Ouch. (none / 0)

Ouch.


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by Dracomicron on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 05:44:58 PM EST
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Re: Ouch. (none / 0)

No ouch intended. Not trying to put anyone down, just to tamp down the tea-leaf reading.


by desmoulins on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 12:10:19 PM EST
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Re: Obama hires (none / 0)

Frankly, as a Hillary supporter who has now thrown her support 110% behind Obama (before you all start jumping on me), I hope she doesn't take the VP spot if it's offered to her.
Keeping her senate seat and supporting Obama's health care proposals or perhaps working in his cabinet in some capacity would be much more suited to her.
And there's no denying that a former president as the "First Gentleman" just can't work in any frame.

by skohayes on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 05:50:32 PM EST

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Since the Clinton's favor loyalty and since the FIRED Patti, I don't see this as a sign that Clinton will accept VP, but more likely the opposite.


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by blueskyadf on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 04:26:04 AM EST


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